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Auron MacIntyre
Being of good moral character and taking an oath to be a loyal American are literally required to become a naturalized citizen
Any country who admits immigrants or allows them to remain when they have hateful views against that country is insane

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick5 tuntia sitten
NEW: McCarthyism returns to immigration law, as @USCIS announces that it will begin screening applicants for immigration benefits for "Anti-America ideologies or activities." The term has no prior precedent in immigration law and its definition is entirely up to the Trump admin.

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I appreciate this but America is a protestant nation, Catholics are my brothers in Christ but their sect has been seen as a foreign religion for much of the nation's history
American values were inherently protestant, you may not like that but it is clearly true, you do not draw closer to the American tradition by becoming Catholic
There has always been a level of toleration of Catholicism (see Maryland) and they have been woven into the larger American story, but it is not, nor will it ever be, the dominate denomination in the US (unless you want to try the plan of some Catholics to bring in as many adherents illegally from Latin America as possible)
This is not an attack on Catholics, if I was a Southern Baptist living it Italy I would not be offended if someone asserted that my faith was not fundamentally Italian in nature
If you feel that is the church you should really be in then no argument over America heritage will sway you, but if the discussion is about the origin of the American tradition and where to find it the answer is clearly protestant
You might be tempted to say this is the core problem with America, maybe you're even right, but this only highlights the fact that this is a faith from outside the American tradition, not the bedrock of it

Joshua Charles21 tuntia sitten
Completely agree with @AuronMacintyre’s take here about the importance of reading original sources (the context is George Washington’s Farewell Address, and how reading that and other pre-1945 sources helps you see how different the world was, and how deceived many of us are about what “American values” are).
But I would take it a step further:
This focus on original sources is precisely what led me away from protestantism, and to the Catholic Church. I discovered “something very radical and modern” (as Auron said) had happened in the 16th century, representing a huge departure from the fullness of Christian truth and fellowship. I discovered the Church Fathers, and the Saints who succeeded them, all of them testifying to a radically different faith and Church than I been taught to believe in.
I discovered protestantism was an aberration with no firm basis in history or Christian thought, and that I had unwittingly been on the side that had helped destroy Christian civilization, ironically in the name of Christ.
Just like many people today are destroying America in the name of “American values.” When you know our roots, you know that claim is often bunk.
The same with the Church and the protestant sects, which is why so many protestants who take the plunge end up Catholic.
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